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Three important steps in my maturation process

TL;DR

Security researcher Thomas Dullien lists three lessons that changed how he thinks. Distrust your own heroic narrative, because your incentives shape your beliefs. Real-world causes are almost never single or deterministic. Emotions carry information, so treating them as reason's opposite makes decisions worse.

The article

  • Dullien writes after his father's death. He is now the oldest generation of his family, at a company that skews younger than him.
  • As a young exploit writer, Dullien agonized over what his 0days might enable. He now reads that anxiety as self-flattering. Ideas have a time when they are ripe. History depends less on one person than that person thinks. The useful habit is asking "how might I be the villain in this story?"
  • Computer debugging trains people to expect one cause per effect. That determinism is an illusion that generations of electrical and process engineers built and maintain. Thanks to them, computer scientists could long get away without probability. Push hardware with heat, voltage or Rowhammer-style memory access, and it breaks. Random bit flips make Dullien doubt any hard guarantee about model alignment.
  • Science is a classifier deliberately biased against accepting claims. As a result, a large class of true things will never be shown scientifically to be true.
  • The Western idea that reason should rule the emotions has no basis in neuroscience. Decision-making breaks when emotional valuation is damaged. The body reports much of what it knows as feelings. The gut alone has about as many neurons as a dog's cerebral cortex. Throwing out a source of information almost certainly makes decisions worse.

Why it matters

The essay is short, so read it whole if any of the three points hooked you. The 0day ethics passage and the aside on bit flips and model alignment come from a career spent breaking systems. The summary flattens both.

The discussion

In a warm thread, the top comment asked older readers for life advice, and about half the discussion followed into health, money and therapy. The heat came from that comment's claim that most of your problems come from your own choices. The essay's third point drew the most direct criticism, enough that Dullien showed up to clarify it.

What to do before 40

Readers in their 40s and 50s swapped advice: lift weights, sleep, see doctors, drink less, save early, avoid debt. Several said the window is real: poor health compounds, artery plaque doesn't reverse, and youth lets you push through stress you only notice later. Others said it is never too late to start. One reply said nobody else can tell you what you will regret, because you already know.

Then I realized that I had been under extreme stress for most of my life but had not noticed it because I could just keep going despite constant exhaustion and borderline depression. Then, that suddenly stopped working.

— @InsideOutSanta

You can certainly recover from them, and do a lot better, but it's a hell of a lot easier and less painful just to prevent them in the first place, and repair is no substitute for the original article, as people with knee replacements well know.

— @jaggederest

Are your problems your choices?

The top comment said nearly all of your problems likely come from your own choices, and several readers took it as privilege talking. One described childhood poverty, abuse, homelessness and a planted-evidence conviction, and others pointed to disability and to help that only made things worse. The original commenter reframed it: you don't choose your situation, but good choices mean you suffer less than you otherwise would. Critics called that moving the goalposts.

What you're basically doing is telling someone who was born with multiple sclerosis "the reason you have trouble walking is due to your choices."

— @astura

That's what I mean - you can't control your situation or the world around you, but you can do the best with what you have, and in my view many people have never been given permission to do that.

— @jaggederest

Therapy for everyone, or meditation instead

One long exchange asked whether healthy people need therapy. Supporters said the people who most need it are the worst at spotting it, and that therapy builds coping skills before a crisis. A skeptic compared it to physical therapy, which you get when injured, and asked why every mind needs optimizing. A long-time meditator said therapy works inside your own narrative while meditation steps outside it, and valued a therapist mainly for being seen.

The "if it ain't broke" mentality has value, but it has a fatal flaw: most people are unbelievably bad at gauging their own deficiencies.

— @preg_match

That's the key point here: Why does everything about the body (physical or mental) need to be optimized?

— @teiferer

Reason and emotion are not one thing

Critics said point 3 goes too far: reason and emotion use distinct brain regions, and thinkers from Kant to Kahneman separate intuition from deliberation. Defenders said reasoning needs values as inputs, and one recalled studies where the emotional decision comes first and reasoning rationalizes it afterward. Dullien replied that he never denied two systems exist, and objects to treating them as opponents or ignoring one. A reader added that our instincts were tuned for bands of about 200, not an economy of 8 billion.

But it's a wild overreach to say the distinction is a cultural construct and not grounded in (largely) mammalian biology.

— @TheOtherHobbes

There's no point in denying that both emotions and rational thought exist, and that different regions in the brain are responsible for them.

— @tdullien

Uncertainty and self-doubt

The first two points drew extensions: a trading-firm reader said software engineers treat markets like code paths and can't reason about uncertainty. Another noted that monocausal determinism often fails inside debugging too. On point 1, one reader argued that if your mind is unreliable, you should prefer plans that fail safely. He read pacifism as that lesson, learned from violent people who did great harm while sure of their own virtue.

Their way to approach any problem is like you debug code: there must be a specific code path that was followed that led to that outcome. But markets aren't like this, and things happen for no reason, or are better modelled as if happening for no reason.

— @ekjhgkejhgk

Once someone makes the leap to realising that their own mind is unreliable and it is entirely possible that their thoughts and memories are just wrong they have to start seriously asking what happens if they set out to do something, achieve it and then discover that it was a bad idea from the start.

— @roenxi

Consensus

The essay was worth reading, unusually so for its genre. Taking care of your body early matters more than most people realize in their 20s.

Dissent

Point 3 drew the most pushback, as an overreach against well-established neuroscience and philosophy. A smaller group called words like "monocausal determinism" performative, and most replies defended them as precise.